Sinking Ship?

Anna Gregoline | August 2, 2004
Is it just me, or does the Catholic Church seem doomed?

Vatican tells women to get back in their place

Scott Horowitz | August 2, 2004
I think organized religion in general is declining. People are becoming more agnostic towards it. Most people can associate themselves with their religion, but how many people actively practice it fully? My ex-girlfriend was extremely religious, and that's part of the reason she is my ex. The choices she wanted to make with her life, were not some of the choices that I wanted to make. (She was also a pain in the ass and psychotic, but that's another story).

But, most religions were created back at a time where this was the way for people to establish communities. Sometimes I think, that if we didn't have religion , a lot of the problems today wouldn't be happen.

Melissa Erin | August 2, 2004
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Anna Gregoline | August 2, 2004
Yeah, well I guess that makes me SOL, cause I will always make way more than my boyfriend. I want to stay home with the kids too, but I wish I didn't have to be punished with the choice because I am choosing to marry a man who can't support me financially.

Melissa Erin | August 2, 2004
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Anna Gregoline | August 3, 2004
I'm already living in debt, so no big scare there, really. Life DOES need to be more affordable.

Or perhaps we need to WANT less. If we didn't kill ourselves for luxuries, we would be a lot happier, probably.

Jackie Mason | August 3, 2004
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Anna Gregoline | August 4, 2004
Yeah, the big stuff you can't get away from. But I know we spend too much on luxuries. We try really hard, and sometimes do ok. We spent about $120 on groceries the other day, and I was really proud, because we got a TON of food.

Oh, and it's easier to be frugal with food when you're on a diet, like I am. Sigh, no more delicious snacks....

Scott Horowitz | August 4, 2004
I see what you guys are saying about "raising children". But in this day and age, it is very hard to survive on a single family income. My sister and her husband both work, and they have a 1 year old. They have a nanny. Because my brother-in-law is a lawyer (and he has long hours), and for my sister's job she needs to travel quit e frequently. Also, having a live in nanny was cheaper than daycare. They could easily afford just to live off of my brother-in-law's salary, but my sister loves her job and didn't want to give it up. She does work out of the house which makes it easier.

They're doing alright, and my nephew is not "being raised by the nanny". People can make it work.

Anna Gregoline | August 4, 2004
We know we can make it work, I think we were just complaining. =)

Melissa Erin | August 4, 2004
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Anna Gregoline | August 5, 2004
I remember being confused going off to kindergarten too. It's one of my earliest memories, where on the first day, I saw a kid screaming and crying, and I asked my mom why. She said that some kids think their mommies aren't ever coming back. That's silly, I said. Mommies always come back.

I'm glad I was well-adjusted enough to be able to say that, and that my mom always did.

John Viola | August 10, 2004
Yeah. I remember my third day of Kindergarten. My mom dropped me off and I sat there watching her walk back to her car. I saw her jump up in the air and scream 'woohoo!' before getting in the car and racing off. That was the last time I ever saw her. I guess not all moms do come back. I still live at 'The Little Gingerbread House' (my kindergarten), and they let me eat at snack time if I clean the bathrooms daily. Sometimes I get really tired of writing all the letters in the alphabet. If I can remember over half of them they should really lay off me and let me have more nap time!

Anna Gregoline | August 10, 2004
I wish I could go to a church that talks about God but not about Jesus. I know that's heresey coming from a Raised Catholic girl like myself, but it's true. I don't even know what denomination that would be (besides the Jewish faith, and there are reasons I wouldn't convert to that).

Dave Stoppenhagen | August 11, 2004
My wife works with 2 year olds all day and she always tells me stories of these kids she has, I don't know how she does it. She had this one kid that would go up to other kids and tell them he was going to cut their heads off. She raises most of these kids and they listen to her more than the parents, some of these parents are stay at home parents. They don't work yet leave their kids with strangers from 7 am until 6 that night 5 days a week, because they can't handle them.

It's sad, at least with my mom being only 5 minutes away when we decide to have kids she has volunteered to help out with watching them. I think some day care is important to build up the immune systems and teach them how to interact with other people. Just not full time, I'm going to do my damdest to make sure my wife doesn't have to work that first year at least.

Jackie Mason | August 12, 2004
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Anna Gregoline | August 12, 2004
Day care isn't necessary to expose them to other kids - there are play groups, and programs at libraries for small children, etc., etc.

Erik Bates | August 12, 2004
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Anna Gregoline | August 12, 2004
I'm not interested in Judiasm simply because it seems just as heavy-handed with the rules as Christianity is.

Scott Hardie | August 12, 2004
I'll give credit to Judaism for having a real religious basis for many of the value judgments, such as the aforementioned eating of pork. I'll never fully understand how rock 'n roll music and role-playing games can be charged with being the devil's work.

Anna Gregoline | August 12, 2004
I think those two things are kind of different - rock and roll music and role-playing games aren't specifically mentioned in the bible that I know of - not eating pork is something specific from god in the jewish faith.

Scott Hardie | August 12, 2004
Right. :-)

Melissa Erin | August 12, 2004
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Jackie Mason | August 13, 2004
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Anna Gregoline | August 13, 2004
Yet another example

Jackie Mason | August 13, 2004
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Scott Hardie | August 13, 2004
I'm sure this can be brushed off as another instance of "God works in mysterious ways." Like the girl would have died in a church, so God gave her a condition that prevents her communion.

Anna Gregoline | August 13, 2004
It's kind of weird - the church said that if she couldn't eat the wafer, she could meet the requirement by drinking the wine (now I understand that some people with gluten allergies can't have wine, but it seems the mother just thinks it's not appropriate for a girl her age to have wine. That's her right).

If it's going to magically become Jesus anyway, who cares what it's made of?